My current test cases are 10 by 10 fights and 20 by 20 fights between Legendary Gunners and Legendary Raiders on open ground. These natural levels also change throughout the combat session, so there will be emerging heroes and cowards among the group. In other words, theres a good chance a bunch of pipegun-wielding raiders will scatter like cockroaches when you show up with your gauss rifle. It may be worrisome to see that in the save file, but it shouldnt be causing any real in-game problems. Either way, youre too close. 00. . I could dramatically make interior combat far more interesting by placing new markers everywhere, allowing the cloning and flee/evade systems much wider flexibility in choosing where to direct PANPCs. Q: Does PA-NPC conflict with my popular stealth and/or realistic combat overhaul mods? But I can tell you that if you run into any significant problems, you should be able to disable the ESP and get back to normal. #10. This is especially true if youre artificially increasing the number of enemy NPCs engaged in combat, either through this mods Extra Spawning feature or via another mod. , . There are several types of evasion. So sometimes expect things like the cowering raider. This feature in general makes PANPCs cohere more as groups. and our I have rearranged how I produce releases so that I can easily compile non-F4SE builds of the existing F4SE codebase. Q: Does Pack Attack interfere at all with NPC level scaling? Heard it was heavily scripted, but took a chance and uninstalled on a 50h playtbrough and now a Ghoul mod, a Supermutant mod and a NPC spawning mod I (can't remember the name) , works perfectly. #3. The effect dispels when the NPC is out of range or has died. Q: How can I, the mod player, repay you for all this awesome moddage? Also, feel free to ping me on Discord. Nothing in the mod alters base records. If you receive this sort . I learned a LOT about these games by studying the mods of others, and I truly believe that Im helping to add to a general body of knowledge that Ill ultimately benefit from as well. It only has features. Then update PA-NPC, reload the save. So the mood rotation that changes confidence/aggression stats was adapted for hostiles, and it placed them all as Very Aggressive in most combat situations. I crash whenever I enter Concord coming out of Red Rocket. I add and remove messages all the time, so you will see different messages in each version. . Is immersion holding back Falloutmodding. I fall into a game for a few months, play it almost exclusively, eventually get bored and go to the next game in the rotation. Dead NPCs, such as the dead Raiders in College Square, do not have scripts attached. Its last act before disconnecting for good is to attach an avenge me keyword to itself for a brief period, and then removing it. The list was hopelessly outdated, so it's locked at least until 1.9 release. I tend to have a rotation. Wow you are missing another 500 mods in your list lol well, sorry but even if you learn how to patch your game via F4edit, you still will have CTD because it has been advised from the WOTC's author, that CTD will happen by using that mod. That having been said, not everything is really a bug, and I would very much appreciate if you could do a bit of leg work before reporting it. A higher value will make them be more likely to stick to their team, a lower value means pretty much every man or woman for themselves. Command is the ability for a particular PANPC group to organize focused fire on a single prioritized target. As of v1.4, the only times Ive ever seen the stack crash is when Im intentionally spawning lots of hostile NPCs and trying to crash it. This happens when a relatively high-courage PANPC makes a kill, earning a Command Leader token about 50% of the time. Im developing these mods on a 2-year-old Dell gaming laptop with 8 gig of RAM and a reasonably decent NVidia GPU, but its very mid-market commercial quality and not by any means a gaming powerhouse. Remember, theyre all smarter now, so skirmishes that are supposed to end a certain way may now have different end results. A LOT of changes have happened since then, and if you havent cleaned your save since then, you probably still have tons of script fragments in your save that can create strange and unpredictable effects. Otherwise, Medic PANPCs will use stimpaks from their inventory/drop/death items. They are recognizable by their animal-themed equipment and demeanor. My time isnt overly ample, so much as it is abnormally flexible. Q: What if PA-NPC cant identify an NPCs faction (such as in other mods)? If at some point I can adapt PA-NPC for companions without a major overhaul and compatibility nightmares (my other concern), Im happy to look into it. animals and such) PANPCs (and Tacticals, if set in MCM) are PA-enabled as soon as they are loaded into the players cell. Q: What is the Medic ability? Q: Why am I reading this crap about you personally? Specific question can be asked in either one of these; # . ; Crashing problem can be solved by lowering your graphic settings. Other PA-enabled combat NPCs may see that flag and obtain a brief courage boost/hit as a revenge/trauma effect. Follow these instructions to enable debug logging, and then PM me. However, that does absolutely nothing to contribute to group decision making, so its out of scope. Theyre also not the sharpest knives in the drawer. Since implementing the new system, the cloning system seems to be solid as a rock. The Pack is one of the three factions of raiders living in Nuka-World. PA-NPC doesnt change globals, and rather than alter existing combat styles, it substitutes its own. Unfortunately, Creation Kit has a habit of making these cute little unnecessary edits without consulting the author, which then get saved and shipped without being noticed. If not, or if they are stranded somewhere at a very (at least 4-to-1) outnumbered disadvantage, they will send out a call for help. In the older system, there was simply a common pool of resources, and a single process could drag down the whole game. As of v1.63, NPCs suffer temporary damages to their Aim Stability (gun wobble) and Weapon Attack Speed (how often they can shoot) for ranged attacks, depending on combat circumstances. Its a distraction. Pretty self explanitory, lead starts flying both ways, then suddenly I'm looking at my desktop. Unique DLs-- Total DLs . Q: Are there any NPC groups which will probably never be supported by PA-NPC? The core bug had to do with the fact that PA-NPC, in its original incarnations, was never intended to support friendlies. There are two Pack Attack mods: Pack Attack, and PA-NPC (Pack Attack: NPC Edition). Q: Are you related to another Greslin Ive seen elsewhere on the Web? That's supposed to stop your game from crashing? Q: Is PA-NPC safe to merge with other mods? I do this mainly to avoid runtime collisions with heavily scripted companions such as Heather Casdin, and with multiple companion mods. Terminology note: PA-enabled means an NPC that is operating using Pack Attack logic. 4. Just getting back into FO4 and modding my game after about a year away, but after DLing a bunch of mods (and too many hours in FO4Edit) my game has a few hang up points. Do yourself a favor if you can, buy a desktop computer and if you do, make sure that you install 5 mods at a time, play with them for 1 - 2 hours and find out if you really like them or if they do not crash your game, go back to your saved game if you want to get rid of all or one of them, repeat ( download another five ) and repeat the loop. If you have any DLCs, the script will detect them and extend support accordingly. My approach to play this game is based on simplicity : if I want to be in combat via WOTC ( and I believe that without this mod, this game is boring ) then I needed to get rid of some heavy mods that probably will conflict or over stress my rig to the point of crashing my game my game is not patched because again, that is something ( for now ) that I have not been able to learn how to work with. 4. To learn more about chaos theory, I strongly recommend the book Chaos: The Making Of A New Science by James Gleick. . PACE AIs will employ adapt. I am reviewing stack dumps from my own tests to see if a factor is at play that I can resolve. But others, such as Molerats and Mirelurks, will need case-by-case consideration and probably custom coding and templates. Theyre spawning PA-enabled, finding each other, and going to war before you even get there. In general, they will rush you if they either think they can get away with it or if theyre cornered and have no choice. When you load the clean game save, PA-NPC will reinitialize itself to its initial state. You can reduce (or raise) the volume of these detection events in MCM, down to zero if desired. The math is quite complicated and, combined with the normal actions of the Fallout 4 game engine, will routinely lead to unpredictable results. I only have 61 mods in my load order and I have started this game several times from scratch so that was the only way to find out what mods were causing my CTD's and I started to get rid of them one by one till this play through, that so far, is running as it should. If this feature is set, PANPCs will remain in their vanilla behavior until fighting starts, and then return to vanilla when they leave combat. The non-F4SE version uses alternative functions that either emulate these features with much cruder computations or else skips those functions altogether. Theyre more concerned with the other teams armaments and head counts, plus many other factors. Blessed Terradon Riders (Fireleech Bolas), Ancient Stegadon (Engine of the Gods) (mount), The Umbral Tide (Salamander Hunting Pack). As of the 1.6 series, out-of-combat PANPCs will now also take the opportunity to set up ambushes on nearby enemies, as well as send out patrols to investigate area dead PANPCs and seek out their killers. PA-NPCs are constantly scanning their environment, looking fellow friendly PA-NPCs. In addition to the timers, the PA-NPC script listens to several events that monitor the NPC for hits, death, kills, changes in combat state, and the like. If anyone can, then with some ingenuity, everyone can. Thank you. Debug Mode can be turned on in MCM. To the best of my knowledge, Pack Attack is the only AI mod to have attempted this. Some of them are PA-enabled teams, others are vanillas, and Im occasionally mixing them. So generally speaking, Id avoid merging it, even though it may work. Pack Attack NPC works entirely dynamically, so you can easily clear the script out of your game save file using Fallrim Resaver. PA-NPC adds detection events of varying strength when the player fires a weapon or makes a kill, as well as when already-alert NPCs are searching. Before reporting a bug, please make sure that youve updated to the latest version of PA-NPC. As of v1.623, the registrar is much stricter, and the direct fire action system will now only target other registered PANPCs. Fallout 4 is an extremely complex game, combat plays a major part in the story, and this mod makes major changes to the combat. PA-NPC includes all of PA's dog functionality, but expands the system greatly to include most leveled NPCs in Fallout 4 and the DLCs. Q: Are you open to new developmental ideas? Vault-Tec Power Armor by NewerMind43 & Captain-Ultima.esp, 10mm Carbine - Combat Scopes - FH, NW.esp, Trinity Shotgun by NewerMind43 & Captain-Ultima.esp, Crafting Workbenches - Far Harbor DLC.esp, LegendaryModification - DLC Far Harbor.esp, Crafting Workbenches - Nuka World DLC.esp, Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp, Craftable Armor Size - Fix Material Requirements.esp, No More Fake Puddles - Nuka World 1-0.esp, BrighterSettlementLights_ExtraBrightv1.1.esp, Glorious_Glowing_Plasma_Weapons_by_Diranar.esp. So stay classy, as my patience is not endless. And porting backwards to FO3/FNV is beyond unfeasible. I have spend many hours trying to find out which mod is giving problems, i have ran the corvega plant in vanilla 4 times without any problems and have not found the mod that breaks something there. At any rate, dont use both mods together. Nothing is required other than the base Fallout 4 game. In this function, the mod coordinates NPCs to cross paths with the player in organic ways, adding extra spawns and combat opportunities. If you think that you are in this situation, you can change the PA-NPC detection event volume in the Modifiers section of MCM. As strange as it might be, I dont currently regard it as a bug. For now, its the price were paying for the additional processing logic overhead. They then get a DR boost and another big Courage buff, and go to town in an adrenaline-fueled murder rage. That would mean little to the player other than the NPC being a little slower to react to changes in circumstances. If you have just upgraded to v1.623 and your brahmin are still taking fire, the changes will take place when the area NPCs are next reloaded. Q: Why are normally friendly NPCs now suddenly hostile to me? Fallout 4 CTD (crash on desktop) Fallout 4 Crash on Xbox One: This case is different from the above three cases. Improved Jet visuals by adding some more sparks and smoke puffs. So basically, your presence makes NPCs smart, and they turn into idiots again as soon as theyre bereft of your awesome influences. Q: Does Pack Attack alter the accuracy or attack speed of NPCs? If you are having this problem, please rule out these scenarios before reporting it as a new bug: 1. Id rather you not, for a variety of reasons. Alas, no sympathy from the good mod author here. Almost all of them, with the following exceptions: Any character flagged as unique So whenever I need a break from whatever it is Im doing, I punch up the Pack Attack code and see what I can do with it today. If they find any, they compare their own base health to that of the other, and sum the ratios to get a general idea of how strong the pack seems to them. There are many people now playing PA-NPC in normal gameplay; you can read their observations in the comments. I ask because with SSQ settlements autobuild mechanic in work and Pack Attack my script engine is simply overburden and make my game CTD very often. In pre-1.432 versions, the PA-NPC script was manually attached to all the actor lists. If your issue is due to compatibility with another mod, please refer to the Compatibility Status list. 6. So the script is pretty resilient. If your question is about compatibility with Advanced AI Tweaks, Arbitration, or ANY other mod, PLEASE start by reading the Compatibility section! Fallout 4 ; Fallout New Vegas ; Oblivion ; Stardew Valley ; Fallout 3 ; The Witcher 3 ; Cyberpunk 2077 ; Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord . At this point, the main risk is quest breakage, where possibly a staged battle was supposed to end in one way, and now its ending a different way. Please update. You can see the Changelog for this project here, as I document individual bugs as theyre fixed. 2. This can happen, and will sometimes set off a friendly faction. Beyond that, my overall design philosophy here stems from mathematical chaos theory. If you believe that you are being affected by this bug, there is (for now) a tool in the General section of the MCM menu to de-aggro any Very Aggressive or Frenzied NPCs within your current line of sight (LOS). Most animals/creatures, other than canines (friendly dogs and Dogmeat currently not supported) As of v1.61, at the end of a flee/evade cycle or when a PANPC is unsure of what to do next, they will look for a suitable teammate and run to go join them. I do have the donation flags set on the mod page, because why not. There is an alternate non-F4SE version in Optional Files. Pack Attack was the original prototype of this system, a very limited version that applied strictly to Commonwealth wild dogs. So no one can promise a flawless playthrough here. If you are encountering this problem, you have a very outdated version. Most hostile canines are. Not all of them, however, are PA-enabled: most of the rank and file troops, as well as the Legendaries and the general encounter BoS, should be good to go. Its not set in stone or anything, but yes. Whatever! The other issues are uniques and already scripted NPCs. And possibly to have some extra fun doing it. Learning how to patch a game is something not that simple and it will take you a while to learn it, probably months before you know it like the palm of your hand. Somethings banging against a scripted scene and/or quest that requires a specific fight to happen a certain way. Ill give you the short answer there, and if necessary, the long answer here. 3DNPC_FO4.ESP (Tales from the commonwealth) DCguardoutfitOverride.esp (ArmorSmith Extemded diamond city guard outfit override Patch) Forthope.esp. Theyre rushing you to finish you off. Q: I found a bug! Q: Are you doing anything other than modding all day, every day? Synths now have the same full complement of combat styles as everyone else, including melee/hand-to-hand at close range and retreat in self-preservation. were shooting most anything that moved. Talk to the person who wrote the patch. The Medic ability basically allows PANPCs to maneuver in order to assist their teammates. Your companion got caught in crossfire and shot back. Using a combination of faction and race identification markers. As with certain other animals, (e.g . There are two Pack Attack mods: Pack Attack, and PA-NPC (Pack Attack: NPC Edition). Page 1 of 2 - CTD when engaging in combat. Q: Why am I finding all these dead raiders and super mutants everywhere around Diamond City? Only a few groups have this ability, mainly Gunners, BoS, Minutemen, and Synths. They get defaulted to the highly defensive Settler profile. Fallout4.esm DLCRobot.esm DLCworkshop01.esm DLCCoast.esm . But I need to be able to verify it firsthand. In theory, this could have potentially led to DCS firing on the player in some rare instances where the player had been tagged as a command target in a prior fight against Gunners. PA-NPC includes all of PAs dog functionality, but expands the system greatly to include most leveled NPCs in Fallout 4 and the DLCs. Anything outside of the scope is a distraction from it, weakening the project as a whole and possibly creating rabbit holes to lose myself in. . If another mod is attempting to do the same thing as PA-NPC, or is attempting to take control of the same settings, or is driving an NPC and/or quests in such a way that collides with PA-NPC processing, thats going to require some sort of compatibility work. This should instantly eliminate the vast majority of possible mod conflict scenarios. Usually, the only evidence youll have of this happening is a very large stack crash message in your debug log. It all depends on what kind of mods and on which rig. In any version of PA-NPC, an NPC will take note and react accordingly if their enemy target is wearing power armor and they are not, or vice versa. When a PA-enabled NPC dies, the script shuts down for that NPC, unregistering for all its events. I think that you have answered your own question here. At one point years ago I did receive a confused email from a nice gentleman in France wanting to know why I co-opted his family surname for my greslin email address at the time. Hit apply and close Nvidia control panel. In versions prior to 1.61, an edge case existed where a PANPC with Command ability could have reacted to a friendly target that happened to be tagged as a command target by a similarly abilitied hostile faction, such as the Gunners. In order to avoid quest breaks and other strange game bugs, Ive avoided enabling the PA-NPC script on the uniques and anyone that appears to possibly be quest-critical. Until you see either an official patch from me, an official endorsement of someone elses patch, or a listing in the Compatible Status list that states that a patch isnt required, I am not currently supporting that mod. No. ApprehensiveDegree70 2 yr. ago. Q: Will PA-NPC eventually support companions? Occasionally, under the right conditions, a raider will react to Revenge rage by shooting up with Psycho. This shouldnt happen at all except under fairly high impact circumstances, and as the stack size really is very limited, itll always happen at some point. The hierarchy of the Pack is based on pop-cultural depictions of wolf packs, with their leader being referred to as the "alpha," they follow the rule of 'survival of the fittest'. Q: How does PA-NPC identify which NPCs for assigning combat group types? I absolutely am, although I reserve the right to reject ideas that either I dont think will work, or that are outside of my envisioned scope of this mod. If you are having unexplained hostile problems, please PM me, Dropbox me a save file that demonstrates the problem, and send me your load order. Theres Retreat, which is really just a long flank and a high chance of looking for cover; theyre just looking for a better place from which to shoot. For example, if a mod creates a new Brahmin NPC but uses a custom race and/or custom factions, the PA-NPC registrar has no way of accurately identifying it. Q: Does Pack Attack NPC conflict with [insert other popular mod name here]? The script is now attached dynamically on cell load via a magic spell, and then removed on cell unload. Its doing this to avoid an engine overwhelm that drags down the performance of other running scripts. Very occasionally the NPC in question will go catatonic and just wander off somewhere for a nice lie down. As of 1.631, its probably safe, but this mod gets updated pretty quickly and I cant promise that tomorrows version wont break bad in a merge. Q: Why do you have all this time on your hands? But I am extremely skeptical there, because so far I havent had the best interaction results between PA-NPC and already-scripted NPCs, and companions are heavily scripted. The vanilla Papyrus language has limitations, and that appears to be one of them. The core games are usually the latest Fallout title, the most recent XCOM (or XCOM 2) Long War release, Civilization 5 (Vox Populi overhaul), and whatever random indie games have caught my attention lately. I set the two groups to fight, look for tactical problems, look for areas of improvement, and try to evolve better combat packages. Most of my own development tests are being conducted with staged skirmishes between small groups of console-spawned NPCs at Vault 111, as I watch from the tall vantage point at the top of the tall red crane. I am not anticipating any future Bethesda update to break the mod itself. I am no longer developing or maintaining the original Pack Attack mod. Over the past few months several Fallout 4 mod authors have choosen to leave NexusMods over policy changes. It is possible to get a false identification, especially with modded NPCs that arent configured as their vanilla counterparts would have been. 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