[5], In early 2014, the band launched a PledgeMusic campaign to fund their show at the South by Southwest festival, with a subsequent US tour. Musician Lias Saoudi discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known. ISBN-13: 978-1474617840. Fat White Family's next single, "Breaking Into Aldi", was released on 16 August 2016. Since forming in 2011, Fat White Family have released three acclaimed albums of insalubrious post-punk and are known for their provocative live performances. Im a musician for Christs sake! They met up sporadically, about once every month or two. But the process of writing Ten Thousand Apologies forced Saoudi, whom Stripe describes as a mix of Harold Steptoe, Oscar Wilde and Adrian Mole, to confront many of the conflicts and resentments he and his bandmates had avoided for years. Its an oxymoron. Join Facebook to connect with Lias Kaci Saoudi and others you may know. A couple of days ago I recorded this episode of the podcast with the group's brothers, Lias and Nathan Saoudi, who told me . waver.One of the best parts of the book is Lias writing about his upbringing with brother Nathan as mixed-race kids in Huddersfield, Eire, Ulster and . It conjured up an image of a place. To find out more, click here. To the four winds was scattered my collection. Im sorry. Lias Saoudi: Most of the new record, some of the old record, and then whatever else we might come up with in between times. Listen to Snow Is Falling in Manhattan by Purple Mountains. That being said, when I saw the group play a tiny venue in France a few years back, just before they blew up, it was obvious they were pouring every fibre of their beings into the performance. Whod have thought?, Anything with me in it. Quinn wasnt present for those initial recordings, but when he heard what theyd made, he tells me over the phone in a separate conversation, it was just like, bloody hell! It was completely different to all the other house music around. Its not a bad show, you know., Enjoy unlimited access to 70 million ad-free songs and podcasts with Amazon Music Sign up now for a 30-day free trial, He pauses. Am I a hoarder? I gave up on collecting records around 13 years ago. Lias Saoudi: If youre a band at our level or above, and youve already got a following, maybe theres some potential in it. Key West is ineffable. DiS: What are your plans for Christmas and the New Year? I was so terrified I was gonna get crushed, I was this little dude getting thrown around, it was horrible. In 2013 Lias Saoudi, who was then laying low in Berlin after the recording of his band Fat White Family's debut album Champagne Holocaust, went out to Berghain. During the first UK lockdown, Lias began contributing a series of unflinching autobiographical pieces entitledLife Beyond the Neutral Zoneto the online cultural hub, The Social Gathering. If I could get back into that headspace I was in at the Berghain when I was doing the indie band onstage, where its not about anything other than expressing yourself in whatever freakish way it occurs to you in that moment, that would be a nice thing to import. Still, the vape represents something like progress, for it wasnt long ago that heroin nearly put an end to Fat White Family. It employs a similar off-kilter aesthetic, shots of Lias buzzing around manically behind contortionist and circus performer Ephyra Ana as she stands perfectly still with an intense Mona Lisa stare, alternating with snippets of the frontman engaging in some enigmatic, submissive ritual. I tried Sheffield for a while. Thats not to discredit him, we needed that structure, but having been in that constrained position for so long, to just be like, Heres a beat, do what the fuck you want for ten minutes that felt a lot more akin to the way we perform live, where youre just howling whatever syllables come into your mouth. I don't know if this coincident or design, but it's Good Friday and Fat White Family have today released their third album, Serf's Up.It's a record they had to leave London to make, forged in Sheffield where they dieted on ketamine, Yeezus and one Wham b-side. [14] The album was described as "triumphant" and "transcendent" by Adelle Stripe in The Quietus,[15] and The Irish Times said it feels like a pop album you might slap on as the world is about to end or youve just learned Brexit has been pushed back to 2020.[16], Ten Thousand Apologies: Fat White Family and the Miracle of Failure, is a recent biography of Fat White Family co-written by Lias Saoudi and Adelle Stripe. Mon 20th Sep 2021 14.45 BST. Lias Saoudi: Its one of those things that just doesnt work. But singer Lias Saoudi and his compatriots had no such trouble. Under no circumstances would I ever willfully agree to that. [18] It is nominated for the 2023 Penderyn Music Book Prize. I was chuffed! They released the track as a 12 via More About Music, the label of Paranoid Londons manager Mark Potts, without fanfare and without disclosing their personal identities. The book pulls no punches. Its like if not now, when? The site covers music, art, culture, fashion, poetry and movies from the 60s through today. I also found I could no longer remember the names of anyone I was into, everything became kind of ephemeral. Lias Saoudi: Oh, sort of like auto-fiction vibes? People talk about a blue pill and a red pill, he says. Whats happening now has really disturbing shades of authoritarianism. What about Keir Starmer? *Migrant workers from East Timor whod recently been brought in en masse to work the jobs at the meat packing plants, who the locals considered beneath them. Anybody, regardless of who you are, if you are addicted to heroin and crack, and you are living in a crack house, you are not going to behave in a way that is palatable. Saoudi, on the other hand, tells me that, generally speaking, Saul was kind of like, nah, it should be worse. Saodi added, "When you grow up economically oppressed in a world which offers you ever diminishing prospects, a world where violence and abuse are the norm, sooner or later the hopelessness of it all has a fairly good chance of morphing into hatred: labelling these people scum isnt progressive, its decadent. You can get in with a CMJ badge too (based on capacity). Read previous Sweet 16 columns with the likes of Beirut, Riz Ahmed, Johnny Marr, Shirley Manson, Matt Helders and many more. Her father was a quiet man who had served in the British Army working bomb disposal. Along with author Adelle Stripe, Saoudi wrote Ten Thousand Apologies: Fat White Family and the Miracle of Failure, a biography of the band published earlier this year by Orion. Its basically his reading history: he picks 52 books Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Svetlana Alexievichs The Unwomanly Face of War and goes through his personal relationship with each of them. How can you tell these people not to get out and protest? All that stuffthats got obvious implications for how you actually perceive the world politically. This is a compendium thats the worlds first comprehensive book-length study of the scatological in art. #fatwhitefamily, @-webkit-keyframes"dkaXkpbBxI"{ 0%{opacity:0.5;} 50%{opacity:1;} 100%{opacity:0.5;} } @keyframes"dkaXkpbBxI"{ 0%{opacity:0.5;} 50%{opacity:1;} 100%{opacity:0.5;} }, Fat White Family last night at Bowery Ballroom. All rights reserved. We were homaging the kind of place where house music came from, gay, Black clubs in Chicago and New York, basically. The Independent. The sold-out crowd parted like the Red Sea, due to the fact that the band smelled like they'd spent the day swimming in a Staten . There are two miracles in this brutally honest account of the rise and spectacular fall of Fat White Family, who despite their chaotic existence remain one of the more interesting British bands this . Just looked like pure love, man. 35. You need all of your focus for that. Each page reveals fresh depravities and triumphs. I thought now would be a great time for everybody to rewatch Threads, the Sheffield-based Armageddon, now that the cold war is, well, back in fashion. Trashmouths HQ in South London became a space for no-judgement experimentation. If you love what we do, you can help tQ to continue bringing you the best in cultural criticism and new music by joining one of our subscription tiers. The world wide web became quite popular around the same time. I think if it was more synthetic and Hollywood, it wouldnt conjure up the same terror, but because the 80s production is a bit shoddy it feels more believable. So what begins as a kind of formulaic rereading ends up becoming quite shocking, exposing borderline damning bits of self-exhibition and self-laceration. Thats more like it. Its different, now. I hope people refuse that, completely. Lead singer of Fat White Family, Lias Saoudi, self-pens a Baker's Dozen of thirteen musical choices that map his early life to the present day, from Ireland to Scotland, Cambodia to Algeria, via dark country and the howling void. Born to an Algerian father and a British mother, he grew up in Scotland and Northern Ireland before moving to London to study at the Slade School of Fine Art. That behaviour is tied to the darkest points of his addiction and Saul was very, very candid with me. Were the classic toxic men that everybody keeps talking about. I liked uppers and socialising and chasing girls around. Maybe thats a conventional opinion. A fantasy that Id spend ten years toying with or trying to kill, that I finally submitted myself to fully only recently, was born in me. Javi Aznarez drew a wonderful cartoon. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Last time I saw him it was complete shithouse, he has a rep for shithouse live gigs which hes carefully cultivated for about 30 years. What does the collecting impulse say about us humans? PKM: You cant learn that dynamic online. Now that he lives far, far away, in distant France, where, rumour has it, hes busy raising a child, who am I supposed to turn to? She said, Because you carry around home between your teeth. Theres a certain amount of sense in that. Limits to Medicine by Ivan Illich https://joannamoncrieff.com/2016/04/18/limits-to-medicine-re-visiting-ivan-illich/, 3. Continue this thread. Shirtless, his dark hair tousled after a brisk walk across town, he rolled cigarettes and sipped coffee whilst answering questions with a right good grace. Like Lias, the Mays know the stresses of brotherhood in music. Its the combination of the beat and the sex noises that make me want to dance. Why am I standing in front of a stage looking at some questionable hero? And it really was more sporadic. Working together as just the two of us for so long, we do each others heads in, says Liam. So when Lias came in it was somebody who didnt have any kind of history with it or established reference point, so it went to other places you wouldnt expect. The closest model Lias had was Alan Vega, that kind of weird, degraded white boy soul kind of thing, where you think youre a sex beast but youre scared of your own shadow., The unsettling, quivering voice Lias employed worked perfectly with the muscular, sleazy beat that Luke and Liam gave him, and eventually it became Decius debut single Come To Me Villa. Photo courtesy of Lias Saoudi. One of the people behind the festivals high-concept clubbing area Block9, Gideon Berger, had been one of those early fans of Come To Me Villa, and he booked Decius for a brief live slot at the zones central queer club The NYC Downlow, which was modelled after New Yorks legendary 80s venue Paradise Garage. I mean, with me and my brother it waswe were just sort of skint, and pissing around, and sort of felt like rejects. "On my radar: Lias Saoudi's cultural highlights". . Nevertheless, Lias styled it out. The band were surprised, they say, when some people they showed it to were concerned about their choice of imagery. Six things you love which should be better known. Loyal to the core! Jeannette Lee and Kim Sion had excellent suggestions. Please whitelist our site in order to continue to access The Quietus. Ten Thousand Apologies: Fat White Family and the Miracle of Failure by Adelle Stripe and Lias Saoudi. It was just the most fulfilling thing. Their debut album, Decius Vol. Given the complete absence of any kind of social life I was incredibly studious and this proved easy to accomplish. Lias Saoudi Folk Ensemble play live at The Social W1 as part of the first evenings celebrating the launch of the epic FWF biography Ten Thousand Apologies co. The social solidarity. It must have been hard to pick at all those scabs again. Sarah Davachi at Lglise Saint-Eustache, Paris. I would go and stay at hers at the weekends. I remember having a vision that I was hanging out with my Algerian grandmother, but she was a little girl, and she was showing me around the mountains in Kabylia. I have written a book calledGood Pop, Bad Pop, which is based around the objects I found in the loft of a house I used to live in. Then, one evening lying on her bed alone while she was in the bathroom next door getting ready to go out, Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie came over the stereo, which is basically just a poem about the nature of integrity inspired by Guthries Bound For Glory. That posture is kind of infinite., John Denver Take Me Home, Country Roads, It goes down well if you can hit what I call the leap of faith moment. YMMV on the purpose of art, but Lias seems clear in his personal standards. PKM: People are still in panic mode. I decided that on the basis of my intellectual merits and soaring grades I was beyond reprimand of any kind, that should I choose to humiliate myself rigorously using only my confused self image and a jar of sculpting gel I should be free to do so. You cant really have a bunch of tunes on while youre busy concocting alternative truths and softcore character assassinations. So I just did way too much Charlie. With Luke, Liam and Quinn playing behind him in custom-built black boxes, he strode out onto the catwalk stage in a gold suit, doing his best to impress the disgustingly beautiful people absolutely everywhere as he strutted, but when it came time to sing his first note, he instead vomited all over the stage and audience. PKM: You were at one of the Black Lives Matter protests in London a few days ago. I dont understand where the line is. But it also serves practically as an incredibly useful guide to what you might read next. Read the choicest cuts from the Quietus archive: reviews, features and opinion, Ten Thousand Apologies: Fat White Family and the Miracle of Failure, Stalker Humanoids: The ERC, Maxine Peake & Lias Saoudi Interviewed, No Sleep 'Til Notting Hill: The Moonlandingz Interviewed, Fat White Family's Lias Saoudi To Publish Biography Of The Band, Peer Review: Joel Gibb Interviews Owen Pallett And Vice Versa, TQ's John Doran To Host Metal Modernism Event In Brighton, Ben Gregory Details Debut Album, Shares New Essay, Monsters Vs. Nazis: Margaret Killjoy Of Feminazgl On Anti-Fascist Black Metal, Virtual Mentors: Arooj Aftab's Favourite Albums, Magical Cuts: Anthony Surgeon Childs Favourite Music, Love Songs And Monster Songs: Jad Fair's Favourite Albums, Stop, Collaborate And Listen: Meg Remy's Favourite Albums, Leather Jacket-Worthy: Lawrence's Favourite Albums. The magic mushrooms Lias was using to calm pre-show anxiety at the time had not arrived as hed planned, so he broke his own code to never take cocaine before a gig. So what did he make of Elvis Costellos announcement that he would no longer perform his song Olivers Army because it features the n-word? Read the choicest cuts from the Quietus archive: reviews, features and opinion, Come To Me Villa/Gay Futures EP by DECIUS, I Blame The Music: Lias Saoudis Bakers Dozen, Music Of The Month: The Best Albums And Tracks Of February 2021, Decius Detail Debut Album, 'Decius Vol. As well as the unparalleled joy of keeping the publication alive, you'll receive benefits including exclusive editorial, podcasts, and specially-commissioned music by some of our favourite artists. Im going to go and try Margate for a bit, I think being half Algerian, raised in Northern Ireland and Scotlandtheres some sort of connection there, between the Berber people and the Celtic people. The NYC Downlow is outrageous, anyone would kill to play there, and this is when Decius was a reall small thing that not many people knew about, he continues. I, is released via The Leaf Label on November 4. It was Quinns idea to start booking some early live shows, the most pivotal of which was at 2019s Glastonbury Festival. He looks healthy and together now a far cry from the increasingly emaciated, tortured figure who haunted the stage as the band he formed in 2011 with his brother Nathan and Saul Adamczewski slowly ripped itself apart, poisoned by drugs, alcohol and ego. Everyone was naked, fucking each other on a cocktail of drugs and it never stopped. Its me, Eddie by Eddie Limonov https://literaryreview.co.uk/its-me-eddie, 2. I dont really belong anywhere, you know? For me, straight down the middle post-post-punk represents a collapse into nostalgia, born out of a refusal of the present, in a world where the future has been all but cancelled. It is a bruising, exhilarating read, which captures the nihilistic energy of this strange and brilliant band. In terms of capturing and amplifying the sleazy wrongness of Decius music, at least, the videos are a success. Its too late to start again now. And a birthday shout-out (in cartoon form) to . Lias Saoudi, lead singer with Fat White Family, performs on the Big Top stage on day one of the Parklife 2016 Festival on June 11, 2016 in. For all four of the musicians, it was something they deeply needed. Along with author Adelle Stripe, Saoudi wrote, Ten Thousand Apologies: Fat White Family and the Miracle of Failure. And sometimes thats something I can really dig into and make a use out of, like literally make a song and dance out of it, and sometimes you feel kind of homeless. When you write lyrics, do you find you have to be compelled by a sense of anger? I think its one of those things that to sort of successfully pull it off, you have to be able to pair off with somebody. Last of the old school rock and roll frontmen, former Blur devotee, This was long, long, long before the preposterousness of the whole thing. It was released in 2014 in the U.S. on Fat Possum Records. [6] Pledgers were given the self-released EP Crippled B-Sides and Inconsequential Rarities. ", In response to Talbot's comments about nearly driving to London to find Saoudi, the Fat White Family added, "If Joe wants to get in his car and drive to London to mete out some form of rough justice on account of my expressing my opinion about his group thats fine with me. Usually its like, oh, we gotta hit this part of this cycle at this pointthats all gone. It was traditionally the right who were forever trying to get things banned and cancelled, so there is a creeping sense of political homelessness if youre into avant-gardism in any way, shape or form and free expression for free expressions sake. I dont think that things are going pan out as drastically kind of awfully as it feels like they will right now. But I had to come back after five days because everything just went mad on the lockdown. It was a bit heavy, that. As tQ reaches the age of 14, John and Luke remember their lives at that age, the trials, tribulations, sounds and minor humiliations that have made them who they are today. And that might not have happened had not the pandemic thrown such a fright into everyone. Its as if the lyrics have been generated by a Guardian designed algorithm, every red button issue of the day systematically addressed in the most predictable way imaginable. Lias Saoudi, frontman of Fat White Family, has said he's working on a book about sex therapy.. READ MORE: Fat White Family live in London - long-awaited return of gigs finds the band on . Lias Kaci Saoudi is on Facebook. I told them I thought Sash! He had an incredible array of records in his living room that me and his daughter would help ourselves to. To a certain extent Ive had things that I want. I dont really belong anywhere, you know? Theres every kind of sentiment to be explored. To find out more, click here. Lias thinks that Idles' lyrics and politics feel like feel-good corporate sloganeering that turns moral certitude into cultural capital without digging any deeper into material reality or the human condition, which isn't what good art does. The two years that its taken to pen Ten Thousand Apologies with Adelle Stripe I now refer to as the great silence. To many in 21 st century Britain, the days of overtly political music are over, but not for Lias and his co-songwriter Saul Adamczewski, who is an admirer of 1990s post-punk outfit The Make-Up for . The kids in Cookstown, Northern Ireland, had few pastimes outside of . With thanks to Adelle Stripe. All your different backgrounds, the influences of your families, what has that brought to the table that nothing else could? Its awful when you get a public rinse down; I should have at least qualified my comments last year. Anyone willing to sweat nuts and bolts on stage like that, regardless of the underlying message, deserves our respect, and for that I duly salute them. With thanks to Adelle Stripe. I noticed after I came to London that everybody in the big city starts shagging each other and doing drugs at age 13; no such joy in the soggy, racist backwater I grew up in. Fat White Family's Lias Saoudi, Paranoid London's Quinn Whalley, and Trashmouth Records' Luke and Liam May discuss their sleazy, seedy new project Decius. Like, always siding with the IRA. But if you dont, its all about that early period where youre learning about the kind of communal experience and the way you feed off an energy in a crowd and theres this kind of like cyclone that gets whipped up. Once all that was gone, I had no hankering., He holed up at a friends flat in Streatham during the first months of Covid, where he rediscovered his love of reading and writing. The multi-ethnic South London-based Fat White Family has been called the 'sonic equivalent of society coming unhinged.' Their raucous onslaught is leavened with humor and social commentary, as seen in the titles of their albums (Champagne Holocaust, Serf's Up) and singles ("I Am Mark E Smith,' 'Whitest Boy On the Beach').Ingrid Jensen spoke with FWF's front man Lias Saoudi for PKM It wouldve been in my house, we had Michael Jackson records because my dad was into him. So yes, one day I genuinely had to stop myself driving up to London and finding him [Lias Saoudi, Fat White Family frontman] because I go through fits and pangs of, like: 'Fuck off, just leave us . PleaseKillMe.com is the home of Please Kill Me: the Uncensored Oral History of Punk. 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